It’s not uncommon for partners to have different approaches to money. Find in these archives ideas for couples on money differences.
Topics include money habits and attitudes; retired husband syndrome; monthly money dates, and more. Posts include interviews with mental health professionals and psychotherapists including Holly Donaldson’s husband, Ken Donaldson, a Florida licensed mental health counselor.
Know that if you are in a relationship where money is causing problems, you are not alone. It’s said the top two causes of relationship breakups are money and sex – two difficult topics. Why is money so difficult to discuss? Money comes with emotional attachment. It can be difficult to separate the emotion from the decision or issue.
In all posts the recommendation starts with communication. Conversations about money can be tough. Many relationships progress for years without in-depth discussions about finances. But it’s never too late to start.
When communication is too tough, it might be worth looking for a financial therapist. A financial therapist specializes in helping individuals and couples address their money habits and attitudes. A national association of financial therapists can be found at the Financial Therapy Association – https://financialtherapyassociation.org/
For more on getting clear about your relationship with money, especially for those planning for retirement, check out Holly Donaldson’s book, The Mindful Money Mentality: How to Find Balance in Your Financial Future.
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What is retired husband syndrome (RHS)? I first heard of Retired Husband Syndrome at a book signing in 2013. From across the book section in the exhibit hall, I saw a young man with jet black hair staring at the back of my newly-published book, The Mindful Money Mentality: How to Find Balance in Your Financial Future. He turned it over, opened to the table of contents, flipped a few pages, and turned it over again. Until that point, he acted like other book-browsers: look at the back, flip to the front, open to the table of contents, flip to the back, flip it again. Some would then take the book to the register. Others set it back on the shelf. The whole decision took less than 2 minutes. But this young man took so long reading, I wondered if he might consume the whole book right there. Then I got distracted by conversation with another attendee. When I turned back to look for him, he was gone. Figuring he had decided against it, I was surprised a couple of hours later to see he was the first in line at the book signing. Retired Husband Syndrome – in South Korea Approaching with an enthusiastic smile, he said “Hello” in a heavy Asian accent. He was from Seoul, South Korea, (which, considering English was his second language, might explain why he took longer examining the book). He said that he thought the book would be helpful to his male clients. Unsure why he was excluding the female ones, I readied my pen to sign, but asked him to tell me more. “In Asia, we have Retired Husband Syndrome (RHS),” he said. “I’ve never heard of that. What is it?” I asked, putting the pen down. “Some husbands spend their whole lives working for a company, and when they retire, they are at home, and it is not good for the marriage. The husband loses his identity because he is not in his job anymore, and he wants to be home with his wife. The wife has been at home her whole life, but she doesn’t like the husband being there, doing nothing.” “So sometimes the retired husbands do…nothing? They don’t have hobbies or hang out with their friends?” “Yes, that’s right.” “Wow. So you must see a lot of marriage problems in your practice?” “Yes! And it is too bad. They have a pension, but the couples never spend time planning what they will do.” He explained more about the strain on the marriage; the sadness he sees at a time when there could be great joy and celebration; and the effect on their children and the families. "This makes me sad. Sometimes I am going to be the only person outside of the family who might see it. All of the financial advisors in Seoul could help people with this. This is preventable.” Retirement Planning Is About More Than Money I once heard a financial planner say, “We spend…
When money-opposites attract: One's a saver. One's a spender. One would rather be at the mall. The other is into investments. While they love their differences overall, they struggle with disagreements about money. Money is the third most frequent topic of marital arguments, after chores and children. Ironing out the wrinkles in money beliefs, behaviors and decisions can go a long way toward reaching financial goals with peace and harmony - whether those goals be at the mall, or in the savings account. How can couples handle mixed money messages? Try three steps. Step 1: Money Script Awareness Sometimes we don't realize the underlying money beliefs that drive our own and our partner's decisions. These are often called money "scripts." (You can find yours using an online test developed by Dr. Brad Klontz here.) Share with each other the money messages you grew up with. Examples might include "Money doesn't grow on trees," or "You only live once." The goal in sharing is to begin to reach an understanding of the other's background. Share who influenced you when it came to handling money. Money script influences can come from various authority figures - parents, grandparents, teachers, coaches, or spiritual leaders. Share what you believe is the most important value that money provides to you. Values derived from money can include security, achievement, sharing, and spontaneity/having fun. Even a general rejection of money (think 1960s hippie culture) can be a money value. Step 2: Concentrate on conversation Now that the money differences are on the table, how do conversations about it go? It's important to communicate about how you communicate. The goal is for each partner to feel heard and understood. If one or both are falling short on feeling heard and understood, "active listening" is one tool to try. In an abbreviated form of active listening, each partner takes a turn being the sharer and the listener. The sharer tells their story or shares their statement about a topic. The listener then completes three steps. mirror back what they thought they heard, check for understanding, and empathize if appropriate. For example, say the sharer talks about feeling discounted or ignored with important money decisions. The listening partner listens without comment. The listening partner's three steps might begin like this: "So what I heard you say was..." (repeat back, even if it's verbatim, what you heard) "Did I get it all?" (If yes, go to next step. If no, listen to what was missed, and go back to mirroring what you heard.) "I can see how that would be difficult/challenging/etc. for you." Or, if it's true, "If I were in your shoes I would feel the same." This empathetic statement is not necessarily an agreement (although it's nice), but at a minimum an acknowledgement of understanding. All three of these must be completed before it's time to switch roles. Step 3: Respectful Negotiation With enhanced understanding, a couple is better equipped to come to a mutually agreeable solution. Several years ago…
Honey, ain't money funny? Sometimes, not so much. As Valentine’s Day came and went, a couple struggled with questions about consumerism, the meaning behind gifts, and how money affected their relationship. Whether it was financial inequality, overspending, or miserliness (a la Scrooge), humor was hard to find at a time when they were surrounded by hearts-and-happiness messages. What can couples do to have a better relationship with money? Following are 4 ideas. As you try each one, it's a good idea to plan a special fun reward or celebration at the end. The more you practice at these, the easier the conversations will get. You may find your differences become predictable, manageable, and even laughable. Idea 1: Monthly Money Date For monthly money dates, quickies are best. These are for checking the dashboard indicators in your household finances. Agree to limit the conversations to about 15 minutes. Build in fun and humor by focusing on your progress, positive wins, and gratitude for what you've got so far. For big ideas and thorny issues, make a separate date to discuss those using one of the following 3 formats. Then move on to the "real" date part! A 2 1/2 minute video on 3-Part Money Dates can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TWFKfF0vRQ. Idea 2: 48-Hour Relationship Conference No you don't have to talk about money for 2 days. What a buzzkill! Instead, in a Relationship Conference, each partner takes a turn being a pure listener to the other partner’s issues. Being the listener in a relationship conference means saying nothing while your partner talks. You can decide on the timeframe, but make it somewhere between 15 and 45 minutes. You can take notes. After the first partner shares, take a break from anything money-related for 24 to 48 hours. Allow thoughts and feelings to arise to reflect on what you heard. Then reverse roles. This is the first partner's turn to simply listen. Then wait again for whatever timeframe you decide - 24 to 48 hours. Finally, take turns to summarize what feelings and issues came up. Make sure you give space for listening to each partner's perspective, checking in to make sure you heard them well. Remember to have an activity planned in advance to celebrate your ability to tackle tough stuff. Idea 3: Take Turns Active Listening Another option is to take turns all in one setting being the active listener. Active listening means being fully present to your partner’s issues and emotions without bringing up your own responses or emotions. (Tip: This is really hard for most people who have never done it before.) You do this by repeating back what you heard, checking in to make sure you got it all ("Did I get it all?"), and asking to hear more about the emotions underlying each statement ("You said you felt excluded. Tell me more about that.") Once your partner agrees they feel completely heard and understood, then it's your turn. Again, remember to have something planned in advance…
When she's better off than he is: Some couples find finances difficult to discuss when she makes or has more money than he does. In the July/August 2019 issue of Psychology Today, Esther Perel, a New York psychotherapist, said that women’s liberation has freed them from dependence on men. “But it hasn’t prepared women for men’s dependence on them. Women often have a lot of resentment when they find themselves responsible in the way men have for generations.” In his blog post, “Why Wealthy Divorced Women Don’t Remarry and Men Do” dating coach Evan Marc Katz wondered whether women might rethink their expectations for the man’s financial contribution to the relationship. This makes sense especially when all other aspects of the relationship are equal. After all, many wealthy men remarry to women who are not as financially well off, and why? Companionship, compatibility, and physical attraction. If a wealthy man is happy to pick up the tab for trips and dinners, why aren’t wealthy women? Case Studies Where She's Better Off Here are a couple of cases to illustrate the dynamic. I asked Licensed Mental Health Counselor Ken Donaldson for his thoughts on some fictional case studies. Alan and Donna: Donna is a 53-year-old professor who became disabled after an accident. Her disability is not evident to most people, but at any moment she could be hospitalized. She received a large settlement from the accident. She is making a new life for herself and wants to live well while she can. Alan, her 55-year-old boyfriend, is a painter. He is handsome, romantic and kind to her. Alan does not know Donna’s financial situation. He does know he cannot always afford the restaurants where Donna wants to eat, though. Much of the time she picks up the tab. They both feel awkward about it. Janet and Harold: Janet is a 52-year-old retired author. Her books have sold enough copies that she can live comfortably without working. Her boyfriend, 58-year-old Harold, had an IT career before he was downsized. Since then he has not found a new job or career that seems to be a good fit. Janet loves Harold’s athleticism, his sense of humor and tenderness. They connect on many levels. The problem is, she wants to travel with him to places like Australia, Alaska, and Europe. Neither Harold nor Janet like the idea of Janet paying for the whole trip. Harold does not know Janet’s financial situation, but he does know she is better off than he is. Q & A With Relationship Counselor Ken Donaldson, LMHC Q: How does avoidance of the activities that both couples want to do affect their relationship? A: This would only add to distance in the relationships. Although both people will benefit from doing separate activities that they enjoy, there is much to be lost by leaving the other out when it is motivated by fear and/or avoidance. Q: How could each couple stay together in a healthy way? A: Every healthy, harmonious and lasting relationship…
Holiday spending hangovers: What do holiday overdrinking, overeating, and overspending have in common? We can get stuffed in over our heads before we know it, leading to regret later. The holidays can test our temptation to overcelebrate. While holiday alcohol- or food-induced hangovers are commonly discussed, spending hangovers can bring about equal regret. Thinking Ahead To avoid regret, it helps to think ahead. You might call it an "awareness strategy." What events are coming up that might bring about a temptation to overspend? Nowadays, that strategy might start in October. Halloween is now the second biggest holiday for consumer spending after Christmas. What used to be a couple hours of candy collection with a homemade costume and a paper grocery bag is now practically a national holiday. Multi day trunk-or-treating. Elaborate costumes. Yard decorations needing extensions upon extension cords. On November 1, where does all the Halloween stuff go? In the attic, the garage, the storage unit, or the garbage? And what about the candy? Halloween often leads to sugar, spending, and stuff hangovers. Next comes Thanksgiving, where we stuff ourselves with, literally, stuffing. Some then stuff our brains with football and TV. Some families stuff all the important conversations for the past year into a few hours at the table. The air is stuffed with emotions. And spending can often be a coping mechanism for difficult emotions. It seems all the Thanksgiving hangovers - food, football, TV, and feelings - start with stuffing. And finally if you celebrate it, Christmas, the king of holiday hangover potential. Must-have new decorations, the tallest tree, fancy food, family gatherings, parties, gotta-get gifts, candy, cake, and alcohol all stuffed into a few short weeks. Moderation choices might start out strong. But decision fatigue can quickly take over. Come January, depleted bank statements and depleted emotions can bring on the same headaches as too much cookies and eggnog. Thinking ahead to all of the opportunities to spend gives you a head start on avoiding regret later. Ask What is coming up where I will want or need to spend on a holiday? What does the spending event entail? What are alternative ways to achieve my goal for the spending event? Imagine it's January. When you look at your bank and/or credit card balances, what's a reasonable figure for you to be at then? Start with that as your goal. Release Self-Judgment Before launching into ways to criticize decisions before you have even made them, remember that it's ok to splurge. It just takes a little thinking ahead, strategy, self-care and balance. Deprivation generally doesn't work. Mindful Spending Strategies For some people, simply having a January bank balance goal is enough to help them stay focused throughout the season. Others need more concrete ideas. Here are a couple: Plan most or all of your shopping at one or two stores. Buy yourself a gift card for that store with the total amount you can spend that allows you to make your January goal. Ask for…
Free financial mentoring from Savvy Ladies Savvy Ladies is a not-for-profit organization formed to provide free financial mentoring to women. How does it do this? An army of volunteers, to start. Any woman can sign up for a pro bono 1 hour mentoring consultation with a CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER™ on a wide variety of topics. Volunteers have also written blog posts and recorded webinars on specialized topics. All are available on the organization's website, https://www.savvyladies.org. What kind of topics? Cash flow, investing, divorce, widowhood, caregiving, budgeting, debt, college, careers and more. Who does Savvy Ladies serve? Any woman of any background who has a question about money. Founder Stacy Francis recognized that, as women, we are more often in-the-dark about money issues than men. Many women have no one to talk to about it. Savvy Ladies creates a safe place where those questions can be asked and answered. What is its goal? More self-reliant, financially educated women. In psychological terms, "financial self-efficacy." Having self-efficacy means feeling confident and resourceful enough to handle a problem or question. Note this does not mean having or knowing all the answers. It means having the confidence to know where you might find the answers, and that you will be successful. Who are the volunteers? The website features several of the many volunteer professionals. Recently as a volunteer I have spoken with women as far away as Colorado and as close as my home state of Florida. What's the catch? No catch. Volunteer professionals do not solicit for business. After the one hour consultation, the recipient fills out a survey asking how well their question was answered. The volunteer also fills out a survey asking how well they thought the consultation went. Importantly, Savvy Ladies has received the GuideStar Seal of Transparency. Not all charities are what they appear. For more information on checking up on charities, see: https://www.hollydonaldsonfinancialplanner.com/charities-and-giving/. Want to see more ladies get financially savvy? If so, here are a few ways you can help. Donate or Sponsor. Savvy Ladies relies on donations and sponsorships to keep the website, small staff, and operation running smoothly. Refer. Refer a woman you know to the free financial helpline for a consultation. Or, refer a financial professional you know to volunteer. Volunteer. If you are a financial professional, apply to be a Savvy Ladies volunteer. It's up to you how much time you spend. Of course, men are welcome, too!
What is retired husband syndrome? I first heard of Retired Husband Syndrome (RHS) at a book signing in 2013. From across the book section in the exhibit hall, I saw a young man with jet black hair staring at the back of my newly-published book, The Mindful Money Mentality: How to Find Balance in Your Financial Future. He turned it over, opened to the table of contents, flipped a few pages, and turned it over again. Until that point, he acted like other book-browsers – look at back, flip to front, open to table of contents, flip to back, flip again. Some would then take the book to the register. Others set it back on the shelf. The whole decision took less than 2 minutes. But this young man took so long reading, I wondered if he might consume the whole book right there. Then I quit watching, distracted by conversation with another attendee. When I turned back to look for him, he was gone. Figuring he had decided against it, I was surprised a couple of hours later to see he was the first in line at the book signing. Retired Husband Syndrome – in South Korea Approaching with an enthusiastic smile, he said “Hello” in a heavy Asian accent. He was from Seoul, South Korea, and said that he thought my book would be helpful to his male clients. Unsure why he was excluding the female ones, I readied my pen to sign, but asked him to tell me more. “In Asia, we have Retired Husband Syndrome (RHS),” he said. “I’ve never heard of that. What is it?” I asked, putting the pen down. “Some husbands spend their whole lives working for a company, and when they retire, they are at home, and it is not good for the marriage. The husband loses his identity because he is not in his job anymore, and he wants to be home with his wife. The wife has been at home her whole life, but she doesn’t like the husband being there, doing nothing.” “So sometimes the retired husbands do…nothing? They don’t have hobbies or hang out with their friends?” “Yes, that’s right.” “Wow. So you must see a lot of marriage problems in your practice?” “Yes! And it is too bad. They have a pension, but the couples never spend time planning what they will do.” He explained more about the strain on the marriage; the sadness he sees at a time when there could be great joy and celebration; and the effect on their children and the families. "This makes me sad. Sometimes I am going to be the only person outside of the family who might see it. All of the financial advisors in Seoul could help people with this. This is preventable.” Retirement Planning Is About More Than Money I once heard a conference speaker say, “We spend more time planning what we’re going to eat for lunch than how we will spend a 30-year period of…
Honey, ain't money funny? Sometimes, not so much. As Valentine’s Day came and went, a couple struggled with questions about consumerism, the meaning behind gifts, and how money affected their relationship. Whether it was financial inequality, overspending, or miserliness (a la Scrooge), humor was hard to find at a time when they were surrounded by hearts-and-happiness messages. What can couples do to have a better relationship with money? Following are 4 ideas. For each one, it's a good idea to plan a special fun reward or celebration at the end. The more you practice at these, the easier the conversations will get. You may find your differences become predictable, manageable, and even laughable. Idea 1: Try a Monthly Money Date For monthly money dates, quickies are best. These are for checking the "dashboard indicators" in your household finances. Agree to limit these conversations to about 15 minutes. A 2 1/2 minute video on 3-Part Money Dates can be found here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TWFKfF0vRQ. Build in fun and humor by focusing on your progress, positive wins, and gratitude for what you've got so far. For big ideas and thorny issues, make a separate date to discuss those using one of the following 3 formats. Then move on to the "real" date part! Idea 2: Try a 2-Day Relationship Conference No you don't have to talk about money for 2 days. What a buzzkill! Instead, in a Relationship Conference, each partner takes a turn being a pure listener to the other partner’s issues. Being the listener in a relationship conference means saying nothing while your partner talks. You can decide on the timeframe, but make it somewhere between 15 and 45 minutes. You can take notes. Take a break for 24 to 48 hours and allow thoughts and feelings to arise to reflect on what you heard. Share those with your partner by reversing roles - it's their turn to simply listen and reflect for whatever timeframe you decide - 24 to 48 hours. Summarize how you both felt about the Conference. Then celebrate your ability to tackle tough stuff. Idea 3: Take Turns Active Listening Another option is to take turns all in one setting being the active listener. This means being fully present to your partner’s issues and emotions without bringing up your own responses or emotions. (Tip: This is really hard for most people who have never done it before.) You do this by repeating back what you heard, checking with them to make sure you got it all ("Did I get it all?"), and asking to hear more about the emotions underlying each statement ("You said you felt excluded. Tell me more about that.") Once your partner agrees they feel completely heard and understood, then it's your turn. Remember to celebrate and give yourselves credit for your progress with active listening. Idea 4: Ask For Practice Help Are there some money issues in your relationship that sound too difficult to talk about on your own? Sometimes each of these exercises…
Monthly money dates sure don’t sound very romantic. However, it’s said that money and sex are the two biggest reasons for divorce*. Could it be just a coincidence they are also two of the most difficult topics for couples to discuss? So perhaps it might make sense to figure out how to talk about them. Making regular times to talk about a difficult topic can often break down walls within other relationship areas. In fact, a money date doesn’t have to last that long. Probably at most 15 minutes. (Unlike that other difficult topic, quicker is better.) One suggested format for a money date has 3 parts, with each partner taking turns: For Part 1: “Here’s what I contributed this month.” And Part 2: “Here’s what I see for major expenditures coming up.” Then Part 3: “How are we doing?” Money Date Part 1: What You Contributed First, telling what you contributed, no matter how big or small, starts the conversation with recognition for your efforts. If one partner stays home or is out of work, find a way to recognize other ways you contribute – whether it’s nurturing the kids or searching for that next great job. Money Date Part 2: Upcoming Expenditures Second, talking about what’s coming up, or could come up, leaves little room for unpleasant surprises. While this may be the hardest part of the conversation, it’s placed here for a reason. Psychological studies show that thinking about how much we spend or have spent can induce the same emotions that lead to depression. On the other hand, counting what we have induces the same emotions that lead to happiness and fulfillment. That’s why the spending question is sandwiched between the other two. Money Date Part 3: How Are We Doing? Third, how well you are doing? Ask, what goals are worth tracking? If you are unsure where to start, try the following four indicators: retirement accounts; savings levels; debt levels; and charitable giving. Rather than constantly comparing to an ideal number, find a way to recognize progress from where you were at some point in the past. No matter where you might see room for improvement, walk away with at least one thing you can both point to and be glad or hopeful about. Money Date Wrap-up: What Next? Sharing your hopes and working through challenges about money decisions, even for 15 minutes, can be an intimate couples exercise. If you follow this formula successfully, you might find you're a little more interested in that other intimate topic that’s hard to talk about. (And feel free to take longer than 15 minutes for that one.) For more tips on the psychology of money, subscribe to the award-winning monthly e-letter, "The View From the Porch," at https://bit.ly/3t2uwfn, check out Holly's book, The Mindful Money Mentality: How To Find Balance in Your Financial Future, or sign up for the online Retirement Readiness course. *see Dr. Dae Sheridan's Tedx Talk, "Real Talk about 'The Talk'"
Letting go of money self-doubt is one of the best gifts you can give yourself. Sometimes these messages operate in the background, quietly driving decisions when we don't realize it. Other times they're front and center. What does money self-doubt sound like? "I knew I'd screw it up." "I'll never be good with money." "If I can't manage my own finances, I'm a failure." "Why am I so stupid with money?" Painful statements, these are. While sometimes spoken out loud, they are spoken silently far more often. Money Self-Doubt Origins Where does money self-doubt come from? It could be one traumatic event or a repetition of harmful moments that lead to flawed beliefs about our financial capabilities. Without counterbalancing mantras like, "You're still good. You just made a mistake," or "You can do this," the message delivered can be, "You're a screwup. You're a failure. You will never get it." Sondra (not her real name) is a highly educated and accomplished professional. Her parents came from Depression-era families where money was tight in their younger years. Money was never talked about in Sondra's home, although she was given everything she needed. She grew up with the belief that her parents didn't discuss it with her because they believed money was something she was not capable of handling. Money Self-Doubt Results Without realizing these beliefs exist, we allow th to influence what actions we take or fail to take. It can affect who we allow into our lives, and who we don't. It can affect our choice of career. Or how we spend, or choose not to, on our own needs, wants, and wishes. Ironically, money self-doubt can lead to overspending with some people, and deprivation with others. Sondra chose a career where she was assured a salary and the chance of a bonus if she worked hard enough. She worked longer hours than she wanted to. She lived minimally, foregoing many comforts and rewards of her hard work. Her dreams of having more work-life balance were put on hold because she never felt financially secure. In her personal life, she chose friends and partners who also didn't talk about money, leaving a gap in her closest relationships. Letting Go of the Messages If you've been operating under flawed assumptions, and now you know it, you've taken the first step to reset your relationship with money. What else can you do? Here are two suggestions to start: 1) Be aware of those who are too willing to reinforce doubt-based messages - family members, partners, friends, or even (especially) financial professionals. Instead, seek the company of those who say, "I am confident you can handle this," and will work alongside you, not put themselves ahead or above you. 2) Be aware of body messages. Self-doubt, sometimes manifesting as shame, has a feeling to it - it might be tightness in the chest, nausea or butterflies. Breathe through the feeling and redirect your thoughts to positive truths. You are smart. This is something…
